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Home My WebLink AboutGPAC_2004_01_26111.11111111111111111 *NEW FILE* G PAC 2004 01 26 9 • u ��EWpORT CITY OF NEWPORT BEACH u r GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE Pq</FORT� Minutes of the General Plan Advisory Committee Meeting held on Monday, January 12, 2004, at the Police Department Auditorium. Members Present: Roger Alford Louise Greeley Phillip Bettencourt Bob Hendrickson Carol Boice Mike Ishikawa John Corrough Kim Jansma Lila Crespin Bill Kelly Laura Dietz Donald Krotee Florence Felton Lucille Kuehn Nancy Gardner Phillip Lugar Members Absent: Patrick Bartolic Tom Hyans Karlene Bradley Mike Johnson Gus Chabre Peter Oeth Grace Dove Catherine O'Hara Staff Present: Sharon Wood, Assistant City Manager Patricia Temple, Planning Director Tamara Campbell, Senior Planner Woodie Tescher, EIP Consultant Debbie Lektorich, Executive Assistant Members of the Public Present: Elizabeth Bonn Barbara Lyon Gordon Glass Hall Seely I. Call to Order Phillip Lugar called the meeting to order. Marie Marston Charles Remley John Saunders Ed Siebel Jan Vandersloot Tom Webber Carl Ossipoff Larry Root James Schmiesing Ron Yeo II. Approval of Minutes • The minutes of the December 8, 2003 meeting were approved as submitted. III. Bolsa Chica Presentation Philip Bettencourt introduced Lucy Dunn, Executive Vice President of Hearthside Homes. Ms. Dunn shared her experiences with the Bolsa Chica property from a developer's point of view. Following are some of the points made by Ms. Dunn: ➢ Oil operations on the property are still productive. ➢ The flood control channel that empties onto the property delivers water collected as far away as the Disneyland parking lot. ➢ The wetlands restoration is being accomplished by the Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach in order to mitigate the ocean impacts caused when they expanded their harbors. ➢ The originally proposed project for the land included a marina, 5700 homes, commercial development, boat slips, restaurants and 900 acres of wetland restoration. ➢ The current development project is planned for the Upper Bench of the • Huntington Mesa with 388 single family detached homes and a recreation center. The recreation center site includes a wetland that is being preserved. The project has been approved by the County and is scheduled to go to the Coastal Commission in Spring of this year. ➢ There is a need to provide housing for California's growing population. Sites near jobs and infrastructure, like Bolsa Chica, should be developed before outlying areas. The State of California is 100 million acres in size, of that ♦ 50% is owned by the State/Federal government as perpetual open space, ♦ 45% is owned/operated by agriculture or private open space, and ♦ 5% is used as commercial, industrial and residential space for the 35 million people who live here. After the presentation the following questions were raised. Laura Dietz asked about the future of multi -story housing. Ms. Dunn stated she thinks building will have to start going up to accommodate the increasing population; however builders have insurance issues with these types of projects. She also noted that these projects are opposed by the majority of residents who would rather have single family units built in their neighborhoods. 2 (4 Lucille Kuehn asked about the road rut on the land that was determined to be a • wetland and why Ms. Dunn did not fight harder to prove it was not a wetland instead of preserving the area. Ms. Dunn stated there are three parameters used (soil, water and plants) and in this case mottled soil was found and if she would have sued, 5 more years would be lost. She stated it was easier to build the recreation center around it than it would be to fight it in court. Sharon Wood asked Ms. Dunn to discuss experiences working with the County and the City of Huntington Beach. Ms. Dunn stated they worked with the City as part of the Bolsa Chica Planning Coalition and were processing plans as part of an annexation into Huntington Beach, then after 2 EIRs that no one liked, the City asked them to go through the County with a large part of the project and only process the housing through the City. Because of this and the time already spent, they decided to put the entire project through the County; which made many at the City angry. The current plan has been approved by the County. Jan Vandersloot thanked Ms. Dunn for her support of Proposition 50 which allows the state to develop funds to purchase environmentally valuable land. Don Krotee asked who owns the oil interests on the land. Ms. Dunn indicated that Aera Energy is the current oil operator for the majority and an independent oil operator, John Thomas, took over the Chevron lease. • Bob Hendrickson asked if there were plans to open ocean flow into the wetlands. Ms. Dunn indicated as part of the wetland restoration, there is a plan to deepen part of the wetlands and to raise Pacific Coast Highway in one area to allow for a tidal inlet. r1 U Charles Remley asked about the tidal turnover with the current conditions. Ms. Dunn indicated that currently it takes 23 days for a drop of water to make it to the wetlands, with the creation of a tidal inlet it will be twice a day. John Corrough asked if there was opposition to the tidal inlet now. Ms. Dunn said there was opposition but nothing like it was in the past when a marina was planned for the area. The State Parks and Recreation were concerned about beach loss. Tamara Campbell asked about the Bolsa Surface Use Agreement, Ms. Dunn stated it was intended as an in-house document. It states "thou shalt clean up all pollution" and is now it is an encumbrance to the land and everyone is subject to it. It is unique to this property and also requires that if the oil rigs aren't operating, they must be removed within 90 days. 3 IV. Discussion of Future Agenda Items • Ms. Wood stated that the next meeting would cover mixed use development. This subject would be covered by Woodie Tescher and a Planner from the City of Pasadena was also invited to speak on the subject. Don Krotee asked when traffic would be coming back to the Committee. Mr. Tescher stated that at this point in the process, they would be coming back in late summer. Nancy Gardner pointed out that the Irvine Company has an NOP out for public comment on the Pelican Hills Resort in Newport Coast. Ms. Wood indicated that copies, could be found at the Library or Planning Department. She also indicated that EQAC will be reviewing the document. Philip Bettencourt pointed out that the Coastal Commission would be in Laguna Beach on Thursday if anyone wanted to observe a hearing in the local area. V. Public Comments No comments offered. n U 0 6 CITY OF NEWPORT BEACH GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE 2004 Meeting Schedule Revised 1/14/04 Police Department — Auditorium 870 Santa Barbara Drive 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. January 26 February 9 February 23 March 8 March 22 • April 12 April 26 May 10 May 24 June 7 June 21 July 12 July 26 August 9 August 23 September 13 September 27 October 11 October 25 November 8 November 22 December 13 r� u CITY OF NEWPORT BEACH GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE Roger Alford Karlene Bradley 1862 Tustin 9 Summerwind Newport Beach 92660 Newport Beach, 92663 Phone: 949-645-3199 Phone: 949-548-3016 Work: 949-833-2815 E-Mail: karlyjobOaol.com Fax: 949-833-2876 E-Mail: roaerOhbla.com Gus Chabre 1130 E. Balboa Blvd. Patrick Bartolic Balboa, CA 92661 620 Iris Ave. Phone: 949-675-6433 Corona del Mar, CA 92625 E-Mail: gchabre@adelphia.net Phone: 949-463-6328 Fax: 949-640-2990 John Corrough E-Mail: pbart4re(a)aol.com 1004 South Bayfront Balboa Island, 92662 Phillip Bettencourt Phone: 949-673-8927 . 10 Sugar Pine Road Work: 949-673-8077 Newport Coast, 92657 E-Mail: jcorrough(a)aol.com Phone: 949-760-6061 Work: 949-720-0970 Lila Crespin Fax: 949-721-9921 707 Begonia E-Mail: pbcourt pacbell. net Corona del Mar, CA 92625 Phone: 949-673-2721 Carol Boice E-Mail: Icrespin sbcglobal.net 2945 Catalpa Street Newport Beach, 92660 Laura Dietz Phone: 949-759-0809 325 Cameo Shores Road E-Mail: wboice@adelphia.net Corona del Mar, 92625 Phone: 949-721-8035 Elizabeth Bonn Fax: 949-721-1357 1607 W. Balboa Blvd. E-Mail: coloma18480yahoo.com Newport Beach, CA 92663 Phone: 949-723-5437 Grace Dove Work: 714-426-0060 117 1511 Street E-Mail: ebonn@trilp.com Newport Beach, CA 92663 Phone:949-675-1573 Work: 949-923-2246 • E-Mail: doveperch(o)aol.com Florence Felton Kim Jansma 230 Lille Lane #201 615 St. James Rd. Newport Beach, 92663 Newport Beach, CA 92663 Phone: 949-646-6192 Phone: 949-650-2418 E-Mail: florence.felton(&mindspring.com Work: 310-794-8922 E-Mail: iansmaahumnet. ucla.edu Nancy Gardner (Co -Chair) 323 Jasmine Mike Johnson Corona del Mar, 92625 5803 Seashore Drive Phone: 949-673-0706 Newport Beach, 92663 Fax: 949-646-7093 Phone: 949-642-3125 E-Mail: gardnerncy aol.com Work: 949-250-6369 x127 Fax: 949-642-5369 Louise Greeley E-Mail: delandmike(c earthlink.net 16 Swift Court Newport Beach, 92663 Bill Kelly Phone: 949-931-1475 409 E.Edgewater Fax: 949-645-0065 Newport Beach, CA 92661 E-Mail: louisesg(a pacbel1.net Phone: 949-673-0128 Work: 949-673-9575 Bob Hendrickson E-Mail: balboabeacon@adelphia.net 1815 Newport Hills Drive East Newport Beach, 92660 Donald Krotee Phone: 949-759-1202 2916 Clay Street Work: 949-721-9747 Newport Beach, 92663 E-Mail: rhpacreally aol.com Phone: 949-646-6030 Work: 714-547-7621 Tom HYans Fax: 714-647-0193 21719t Street E-Mail: dkrotee krotee.com Newport Beach, 92663 Phone 949-673-0333 Lucille Kuehn Work: 949-673-3777 1831 Seadrift Dr. Fax: 949-673-0377 Corona del Mar, CA 92625 E-Mail: tomhyans pacbell.net Phone: 949-673-0685 Fax: 949-675-6986 Mike Ishikawa E-Mail: Lucycdm(abaol.com 438 Riverside Ave. Newport Beach Phillip Lugar (Co -Chair) Phone: 949-650-3996 P.O. Box 7246 Work: 949-293-1976 Newport Beach, 92658 E-Mail: mnishikawa5adelphia.net Phone: 949-675-4982 Work: 949-824-9460 E-Mail:.plugar uci.edu 2 Updated 1/20/2004 Barbara Lyon Larry Root 427 San Bernardino Ave. 1210 Polaris Dr. • Newport Beach, CA 92663 Newport Beach, 92660-5724 Phone: 949-631-3907 Phone: 949-548-9474 Work: 949-378-1357 E-Mail: rootis(a)adelphia.net E-Mail: barbarablyonCa sbcglobal.net John Saunders Marie Marston 26202 Glen Canyon 331 Lugonia St. Laguna Hills, 92653 Newport Beach, CA 92663 Phone: 949-643-2399 Phone: 949-645-1203 Work: 949-251-0444 Work: 714-438-1095 Fax: 949-251-0888 E-Mail: marie.marstonOrnp-eng.com E-Mail: John londoncoin.com Peter Oeth James Schmiesing 420 Mendoza Terrace 19712 MacArthur Blvd., Ste. 210 Corona del Mar, 92625 Irvine, CA 92612 Phone: 949-721-0191 Phone: 949-760-6804 Work: 949-721-0191 Work: 949-863-0200 Fax: 949-721-8323 Fax: 949-863-0164 E-Mail: peteroethCa adelphia.net E-Mail: jschmiesingCa sbsmlaw.com • Catherine O'Hara Hall Seely 1937 Port Albans Place 2833 Carob Street Newport Beach, 92660 Newport Beach, CA 92660 Phone: 949-640-7433 Phone: 949-644-0278 E-Mail: oharas5 pacbell.net Work: 949-955-3575 E-Mail: nptbchlaw hotmail.com Carl Ossipoff 720 Bison Ave. Ed Siebel Newport Beach, 92660 114 Apolena Avenue Phone: 949-644-0469 Balboa Island,92662-1214 Work: 818-569-7633 Phone: 949-673-7448 E-Mail: hiincyber yahoo.com Work: 949-675-8736 Fax: 949-675-0461 Charles Remley E-Mail: ges0cenprowest.com 101 E. Balboa Blvd. Newport Beach, CA 92661 Jan Vandersloot Phone: 949-673-8770 2221 E. 161h Street E-Mail: ccbtsCabcompuserv.com Newport Beach, 92663 Phone: 949-548-6326 Work: 714-848-0770 Fax: 714-848-6643 E-Mail: jonv3Cabaol.com 3 Updated 1/20/2004 Tom Webber • 121 Apolena Ave. Newport Beach, 92662-1213 Phone: 949-723-6006 Fax: home #-call first E-Mail: rtwebber(c earthlink.net Ron Yeo 604 Iris Corona del Mar, 92625 Phone: 949-644-7896 Work: 949-644-8111 Fax: 949-644-0449 E-Mail: ronyeo(c earthlink.net CA J • CITY STAFF: Sharon Wood, Assistant City Manager Work: 949-644-3222 Fax: 949-644-3020 E-Mail: SWood@city newport-beach ca us Patty Temple, Planning Director Work: 949-644-3228 Fax: 949-644-3229 E-Mail: PTemple(&city newport-beach ca us Tamara Campbell, Senior Planner Work: 949-644-3238 Fax: 949-644-3229 E-Mail: TCampbell(c city newport-beach ca us Debbie Lektorich, Executive Assistant Work: 949-644-3000 Fax: 949-644-3020 E-Mail: DebbieLOcity.newport-beach.ca.us 4 Updated 1/20/2004 GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE Monday, January 26, 2004 Roger Alford .—Patrick Bartolic Phillip Bettencourt Carol Boice Elizabeth Bonn Karlene Bradley Gus Chabre John Corrough Lila Crespin Laura Dietz Grace Dove • —Florence Felton Nancy Gardner Louise Greeley Bob Hendrickson Tom Hyans Mike Ishikawa Kim Jansma Mike Johnson ,—Bill Kelly Donald Krotee Lucille Kuehn Philip Lugar Barbara Lyon Marie Marston Catherine O'Hara , & � � L �; > � wZ,_,Z 1 Carl Ossipoff 46 Charles Remley Larry Root John Saunders James Schmiesing Hall Seely BEd Siebel Jan Vandersloot Tom Webber Ron Yeo is GENERAL PLAN ASORY COMMITTEE • Monday, 7anuary 26, 2004 PUBLIC SIGN -IN NAME ADDRESS/PHONE E-MAIL ADDRESS 0 r GENERAL PLAN ANISORY COMMITTEE Monday, ]anuary 26, 2004 PUBLIC SIGN -IN NAME ADDRESS/PHONE E-MAIL ADDRESS 6 ei :. LG _ -C/y 3 �. w� ND �:r ctiGZc6 f ••) @ 56G • 0 CITY OF NEWPORT BEACH GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE Minutes of the General Plan Advisory Committee Meeting held on Monday, January 26, 2004, at the Police Department Auditorium. Members Present: Roger Alford Louise Greeley Carl Ossipoff Phillip Bettencourt Bob Hendrickson Charles Remley Carol Boice Mike Ishikawa Larry Root Elizabeth Bonn Kim Jansma John Saunders Karlene Bradley Mike Johnson Hall Seely Gus Chabre Donald Krotee Jan Vandersloot Lila Crespin Lucille Kuehn Tom Webber Laura Dietz Barbara Lyon Ron Yeo Grace Dove Marie Marston Nancy Gardner Catherine O'Hara Members Absent: Patrick Bartolic Tom Hyans (sick leave) James Schmiesing John Corrough Bill Kelly Ed Siebel Florence Felton Phillip Lugar Staff Present: Sharon Wood, Assistant City Manager Tamara Campbell, Senior Planner Woodie Tescher, EIP Consultant Debbie Lektorich, Executive Assistant Members of the Public Present: Wendy Brooks Carol Starcevic Carol Hoffman I. Call to Order Nancy Gardner called the meeting to order and introduced the new members of the Committee, Lila Crespin, Elizabeth Bonn, Barbara Lyon and Hall Seely. • II. Approval of Minutes The minutes of the January 12, 2004 meeting were approved as submitted. III. Mixed Use Development Presentation Woodie Tescher presented a slide show of mixed use projects in Southern California and provided some history on mixed use developments. After Mr. Tescher's presentation, Bill Trimble, Planner from the City of Pasadena, spoke about mixed use projects in Pasadena. During and after the presentations the following questions were raised. Jan Vandersloot asked if government had required a Santa Monica mixed use project to provide the senior housing which was included. Mr. Tescher indicated this was a bonus density situation and the City worked with the developer to include the senior housing. Mike Johnson asked about the location of parking at the Paseo Colorado project. Mr. Tescher indicated the parking entrance was at the end of the complex and led to 2 levels of subterranean parking which runs the entire: length of the project. He said that once inside the structure there is a separate entrance for • residents and visitors. John Saunders asked about the addition of parking structures in Pasadena. Mr. Trimble indicated the location and timing of a parking structure was critical to the overall project in Old Pasadena. Carl Ossipoff feels Mariners Mile would be a good location for mixed use and asked Mr. Tescher what obstacles would get in the way. Mr. Tescher indicated one of the issues would be the volume of traffic on Coast Highway and how to access mixed use projects without impacting the traffic. Another issue would be the land values and what scale would be needed to make a project successful. Gus Chabre asked about the involvement of redevelopment agencies in the mixed use projects discussed earlier, specifically the 3rd Street Mall project. Mr. Tescher indicated that Santa Monica did not use any redevelopment financing for the 3rd Street Mall project. However, the project did benefit from parking structures built earlier with redevelopment funds. Mr. Trimble stated that the smaller development projects going on now in Pasadena are being done by developers. Bob Hendrickson asked about parking at one of the San Diego projects where • streets and buildings had been added to what was at one time the parking for 2 the grocery store. Mr. Tescher indicated there was some surface level parking • however most of the parking was underground. Philip Bettencourt worked on the Cannery Lofts project and noted that the permitting process had taken 16 months. He also indicated the kinds of people who want to live there are double income couples without children, so the impact on schools and infrastructure will be less than other residential areas. Kim Jansma pointed out that people tend to avoid parking structures when there is a choice to park somewhere else. Mr. Tescher agreed and added that the design and location of the structure is important to make people feel secure when using the structure. Mr. Vandersloot asked about traffic generation rates for mixed use projects. Mr. Tescher said data had been collected in another community which showed mixed use is a close second to 100% residential when comparing peak hour trips. He also pointed out projects such as Paseo Colorado in Pasadena have everything you need and residents really don't have to use a car to get to the grocery store, workout, restaurants, civic center, etc. Lucille Kuehn asked about the process to get a consensus from the community and the City supporting using mixed use to help with our shortage of housing. • Mr. Trimble indicated in Pasadena when people understood that some developments will relieve some pressure in single family neighborhoods, they accepted growth as long as it was targeted to areas that are not so sensitive. Don Krotee asked about the subcommittee process and if changes could be made to zoning in order to accommodate mixed use projects. Ms. Wood indicated that each subcommittee would be given information on the existing zoning and General Plan for each of these areas, as well as questions and issues for discussion. During discussions groups can identify current problems, what is working and what is not, etc. Ms. Gardner reminded everyone that this is why this committee was formed, to take the information and come up with. ideas for the future. Catherine O'Hara asked about mixed use projects that were not successful and things to look out for as we think about this kind of development. Mr. Tescher and Mr. Trimble indicated that timing and location are important issues, the housing is always successful but the commercial must work as well. Mr. Ossipoff asked how Laguna Beach had dealt with PCH in their downtown area and how that differs with PCH through Mariners Mile. Tamara Campbell indicated that Laguna Beach has a specific plan which identifies what type of • businesses can come into different areas of the city based on that plan; some areas are reserved for resident -serving businesses and others areas are for 3 9 visitor -serving businesses. Mr. Tescher also shared that years ago San Clemente had wanted to make PCH more pedestrian friendly and decided to allow LOS F to encourage vehicles to use the 405 freeway; that option is not available here. Ron Yeo asked if the senior project on Back Bay Drive would have any mixed use. Ms. Wood said no. Mr. Johnson asked what types of uses are planned for the first floor of the Cannery Lofts project. Mr. Bettencourt stated that because of the parking limitations it would most likely be offices for architects, engineers, insurance agents, etc. Mr. Vandersloot asked if the mixed use concept could subsidize affordable housing. Mr. Trimble thought it was rare that the commercial/retail is able to subsidize the housing; in today's market the housing is making the project successful. Mr. Tescher indicated the senior project he had shown earlier was actually subsidized by the market value units, not the retail/commercial. Ms. Kuehn asked if there was documentation to show how much housing is needed in the City and if there is an excess of commercial. Ms. Wood stated the Housing Element of the General Plan and also the retail market analysis done by Doug Svensson would provide this information. It will also be summarized in discussion papers. IV. Discussion of Future Agenda Items Mr. Tescher stated that at the next meeting Tom Rossmiller, Harbor Resources Director will have a presentation as well as a representative from MiOcean. Mr. Vandersloot asked for a presentation similar to the one done at this meeting with photographs of land uses around airports in other areas. Lila Crespin asked that public art be discussed at a future meeting. Ms. Wood indicated that the Arts Commission had drafted the beginnings of a General Plan element on Culture and the Arts and the General Plan Update Committee had included it in the scope of work. It will be included but is still several months away. V. Public Comments Wendy Brooks shared her concerns about the Corona del Mar Centennial Committee's plans to place a sculpture at Inspiration Point. Ig