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Planning Commission Minutes 05/06/2004
CITY OF NEWPORT BEACH
Planning Commission Minutes
May 6, 2004
Regular Meeting - 6:30 p.m.
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INDEX
ROLL CALL
Commissioners Eaton, Cole, Toerge, McDaniel, Selich, Kiser and
Tucker - all present.
STAFF PRESENT:
Patricia L. Temple, Planning Director
Robin Clauson, Assistant City Attorney
Jim Campbell, Senior Planner
Gregg Ramirez, Associate Planner
Rosalinh Ung,,Associate Planner
Tony.Brine, Principal. Civil Engineer
Ginger Varin, Planning Commission Executive Secretary
PUBLIC COMMENTS:
PUBLIC
COMMENTS
None
POSTING OF THE AGENDA:
POSTING OF THE
AGENDA
The Planning Commission Agenda was posted on April 30, 2004.
CONSENT CALENDAR
MINUTES of the adjourned and regular meeting of April 22,
ITEM NO. 1
2004.
Motion was made by Commissioner Tucker to approve the
minutes.
Ayes:
Eaton, Cole, Toerge, McDaniel ;- Selich, Kiser and
Noes:
Tucker
Absent:
None
Abstain:
None
None
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HEARING ITEMS
SUBJECT: Newport Technology Center, Traffic Study No. 2003-
001 (PA2003 -122) & Amendment to Use Permit
No. 3679
500 -540 Superior Avenue
Request to amend Use Permit No. 3679 to allow 50% of the
constructed Newport Technology Center to be used for general
office uses with the remaining 50% of floor area leased for
research and development uses. The amendment also includes a
request to exceed the allowable building bulk standards that was
not considered in 2001 prior to the construction of Newport
Technology Center. The item also includes Traffic Study No. 2003-
001 pursuant to the Traffic Phasing Ordinance.
Senior Planner James Campbell noted the main issues of the staff
report such as difficulty to lease the buildings since construction;
trip -generation, review. and traffic-analysis; conditions of approval to
be amended; applicants request for 50% office not consistent-with
floor area limitations of the Zone Code therefore, staff is
recommending reduction of the office area to 43 %; building bulk
area findings to allow the constructed project to exceed the bulk
limitations; use of structures compatible with surrounding areas;
physical suitability of the site for the proposed development; and
draft resolution emailed to Commissioners.
In response to Commission's inquiries, Mr. Campbell added:
. Use Permit that was heard 2001 allowed the building to
exceed the base height limit of 32 feet up to 50 feet.
. Architectural treatment was one issue for granting the height
approval.
. Findings related to increased visual open space and public
views: The location of structure on lot, percentage of ground
cover and treatment of all setback areas; and floor area were
considered.
*Discussed definitions of research and development use
versus office use and the number of people occupying those
uses.
Commissioner Cole noted that there certainly seems to be
substantial parking to provide for the same number of people that
could potentially use an R and D use versus an office use on the
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PA2003 -122
Approved
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project. It doesn't appear that the current configuration would limit
the number of people whether R & D or office. He then asked that
under the current condition of the premises if a company wanted to
occupy the buildings and call it an R & D use but occupy it like an
office use in the form of open space and have some type of
cubicles or laboratory space, would they still be able to have the
same number of people in that space because the parking is
there? What is the real impact, is it additional traffic versus the
existing use? He noted he does not see a potential impact based
on the way the City enforces the number of people who occupy the
premises.
Mr. Campbell noted that the Zoning Code definition does not
provide direction in terms of the occupant load. That is an
outgrowth of the former analysis for the former Raytheon facility
and that is why it has been carried forward, to try to ensure the
assumptions made in the traffic analysis are still maintained for the
research and industrial portion of the facility. For the office portion,
we are using the standard trip generation rates.
Mr. Tony Brine, Principal Engineer, answered that the' trip
generation rates for office use are different than R and D. It is not
based on the number of employees but rather a per square foot
basis.
Mr. Campbell noted that there is a condition of approval that
requires the Planning Director to evaluate the business plan and
floor plan to ensure that a potential tenant falls within the industrial
research and development use classifications. Through the
business license process the number of employees can be
evaluated and tracked to keep the total occupant load to the
maximum level for the R and D portions.
Commissioner Cole asked what criteria will be used to determine R
& D use from an office use?
Ms. Temple answered that she reviews the floor plan and whether
the total of the tenant space has areas set aside for what would be
considered more for development or creative research areas in
association with any other offices that might be within it. We do not
limit persons per square foot occupancies in either use as a zoning
requirement. For the purpose of this condition we will continue to
monitor on a yearly basis employee counts within certain
businesses and if they are approaching the limits, we would inform
the leasing agencies that they may not have the ability to lease any
more space unless the employee count is reduced.
Commissioner Toerge noted that condition 37 was included in
2001 by the City Council to limit the number of employees on site
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at any one time to 1,965. What was the logic? Why not leave the
limit the way it is?
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Ms. Temple noted that was a condition of the original traffic study.
The whole purpose of the prior action was to enable the project to
move forward without processing a new traffic study pursuant to
the Traffic Phasing Ordinance (TPO), so we just kept the same
limitation.
Mr. Campbell added that the amendment to condition 37 was
necessary since we were going to. be reducing the total amount of
R & D space by allowing the office space. We reduced the total
employees for the R & D use based on the percentages that would
ultimately be approved, if this project was approved.
Commissioner Toerge noted that it seems that the City would be
better protected if we just left the upper limit and let the project go
where it goes. You don't have any limit at all if you assign a limit to
the R & D with no limit to the office.
Ms. -Clauson-noted that- through review -of the-floor plans and the
business licensing process we can keep some tabs on the R & D
use, but under the office use we could not. The numbers are
based upon the trip generation for office use.
Ms. Temple noted that the more complicated the conditions are,
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the more difficult they are to enforce. This is the only building
where we use this threshold for enforcement, so it is going to be a
special case for as long as it is in existence unless future
entitlements change it. The rational is based on the percentage of
the project which must still be held to an R & D use and we did that
because of the basis of the previously approved Traffic Study 15
years ago for Hughes Aircraft. We factored R and D and the office
based on conventional traffic and parking generation occupancies
and saw no reason to hold an employee occupancy on the office
portion since all the traffic and parking analysis were based on
standard conventional factors.
Commissioner Tucker noted a brief synopsis of when the project
first came to the Commission:
• The applicant had to do a TPO traffic study for R and D and
not office because R and D is parked at 2 per 1000 and the
traffic features are less.
• In today's age, R and D is not what it used to be. R and D is
now people sitting in an office at a computer and not needing
big areas.
• We told the applicant at that time we can't prejudge, you said
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. Now the applicant has decided that they are better off re-
doing their TPO traffic study to say, okay, we are now really
going to do office in some of this project.
. What the applicant has done, they have come pretty close to
finding where that point where they are almost tripping the
level of services (LOS) that they have to be concerned with.
. When they come up with office at 43% and did the traffic
study, staff has come to the conclusion that the General Plan
allows office use. Then it seems like office is allowed for
43% based upon .zoning. Office use does not require a
restriction on the number of employees.
. The R & D portion that the applicant has kept still carries the
same baggage, is it R and D or is it something other than R
and D? As each plan comes in after they have gotten past
that 43% the Planning Director will have to look at it and
make the decision.
. If it seems confusing, it is. You have an operational
characteristic that -is entirely different today. then. when... the
original zoning was bestowed, so the two just don't match up.
. One of the comments that we had at that time is that this is
something that we ought to look at the Zoning Code for
something more up to date, but staff has been occupied with
a lot of other issues and we never got back to look at that
internal inconsistency, and now this matter is back before us.
Commissioner Toerge noted that the project has adequate parking,
under Code, for office or R and D. R and D has historically been
parked 3 to 1,000 square feet, but may be more dense these days
than office which is normally 4 cars per 1,000 square feet. The
traffic patterns of office in the peak hour impact is different than R
and D and that is really what we are trying to restrict. It seems to
be better protection to maintain the upper limit on the overall
project rather than bifurcate it down simply to an R and D use at a
lesser number. That seems a more difficult policy or condition to
enforce then to leave the ultimate maximum as it is now.
At Commission inquiry, Mr. Brine stated:
. The traffic analysis dated March 23rd did not include
cumulative impacts, only the impact from this project.
. In the traffic study of 2001, the Costa Mesa intersections
where 65% of this traffic was projected to go, had a worst
LOS at 19th and Newport. The numbers in 2003 are lower
and he is comfortable with the fact that the traffic congestion
has reduced.
. All the numbers used for the Costa Mesa analysis were
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provided by Costa Mesa. However, both Newport Beach and
Costa Mesa have noticed that as we have done counts
between 2000 and 2003 we have seen traffic volume
decrease on the major roadways throughout the cities.
Ms. Temple noted that staff received a letter that addressed
noticing for this hearing. As for all public hearing projects the
notice of this hearing was published ten days in advance of the
hearing in the Daily Pilot; the property was posted as required by
Code and also, notice was mailed to a 300 foot radius of this
property. In regards to the letter received from Ms. Farrington, we
did mail a notice to this resident that was returned as undeliverable
with the forwarding order expired. We did mail the notice per the
Equalized Assessment Roles of the County of Orange as required
by the Code.
Commissioner Cole asked, per the letter, why a traffic study had
not been done on the intersection of Dana and Superior Avenue.
Mr. Brine answered that the study intersections are done at
primary intersections throughout the City. We focus on
intersections we believe _that there may be. impacts . around the
project..
Public comment was opened.
Ms. Carol Hoffman, Government. Solutions Inc., representing the
applicant of New Superior, LLC, partnership of several owners,
noted the following:
. She had represented the original owners of the property, St.
Clair Company, during the entitlement process.
We concur with the staff report and agree with the
modifications to the conditions.
With regard to the parking - there is parking in excess of what
was required; the reason was the existing parking structure
was at the extreme northwesterly, corner of the property.
Relying solely on that parking would not have been
convenient to some of the other buildings. The developer
determined to provide parking more convenient to some of
the other structures. This resulted in parking excess of the
requirement of R and D as well as now for the requested
office use.
When the traffic studies were done the determination was
that there was a great market for R and D uses at that time
but that has changed since then.
We want to make sure that we are consistent with all the
regulations and we felt we could meet all the requirements of
the R and D zoning and the previous traffic study, and so we
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are willing to live with the limit on the number of employees.
. Staff is saying that as we are able to demonstrate that there
is a percentage (43 %) of office that could be accommodated
as long as the restriction for the number of employees is held
for that portion that would be for R and D uses are operating
as R and D.
. We worked with staff to assure that the spaces and
development areas within the project complied. As part of
that, we are willing to live with the restricted number of
employees on that portion of it because. that was a traffic
related limitation.
. Now that we have shown that 43% of the project for office
can live within the limitations of the TPO analysis, that
analysis shows you do not need a limit on that portion of the
building because then you would be putting an R and D limit
on an office section.
. From our standpoint, when we come in.with an R and D use,
we will show staff the way in which, it meets the R and D
criteria. .
. When we have a business license and /or tenant that would
be an office use, we would not go through that process as it
will be submitted as an office use, but we will help with the
accounting to make sure which uses will be office and which
ones will be R and D.
. Regarding the letter that was received by the Commission
from an adjoining property owner, she noted her surprise at
hearing those concerns because one of her responsibilities of
representing the client is to not only assure that an approval
was obtained, but that the client lives with those conditions of
approval and is aware all of the regulations.
To find out some three years later that there was some
reported infractions of the hours of limitation for construction
or that somehow we were not thoughtful in terms of our
neighbors is disconcerting because if the landowner or I had
been notified, we would have made sure that our contractors
were obeying all of the requirements. There was one call
that came to the owner and that resulted in a reprimand to
the contractor and as far as we knew the problem had been
resolved.
However, there is no construction proposed for this
application and the only construction now is tenant
improvements. There was a notification to us as a result of
this letter that the placement of the construction dumpster
was along Dana Road. I called the contractor today and
asked if they could move the dumpster and the portable toilet
that was there. That happened by noon today.
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. The fence that was erected along Dana Road across the
street from the residential properties was done because the
planting that occurred on the slope that goes down to Dana
Road was being eroded by neighbors who were climbing
over the planter because they were parking their car over
night in our lot. Kids were using their skateboards to come
across the lot down over the planter and on to the street. It
was an unsafe condition, was disruptive and it destroyed the
landscape. We put the fence up in an effort to shield the
infractions there, but we would be willing to provide some
screening along the fence in the form of vines.
Martha Farrington, resident of Dana Road noted that she has been
negatively impacted by this project from the beginning. She noted
her letter sent to the Planning Commission:
• The property values and impacts have been ignored.
• This project is an expansion on the R and D use that existed
when the neighbors bought their units on Dana Road.
.. Construction has been on -going and she_ had complained to
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the contractors and architects.
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. At 5 a.m. there are construction workers unloading their
trucks, dumping stuff in the dumpsters, etc.
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. Ignoring the residential uses across the street is
unconscionable in our opinion.
• The impact of trash, noise and the traffic that is due to the
use of Dana Road as a shortcut between Superior Avenue
and Hospital Road is not acceptable.
• Her garage door has been smashed twice due to people
turning around in her driveway.
• We object to any amendment to the use permit particularly if
it is going to increase the number of people on the site and
traffic in the area.
• We request that there be some enforcement of this
continuous disruption in our lives.
• The landscaping is a problem as well as the height of the
building. People can look directly into our bedroom windows
if the curtains are open.
• The lights from the parking lot at night are disturbing.
• The dumpsters placed on our street have been a misery.
• The trees are tall eucalyptus trees that do not block the light
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and in fact were pruned back last week to the point they are
bare branches.
. The noise bounces off the sides of the buildings to our
residences.
Peggy Peranteau, resident of Dana Road, noted the following:
• Dana Road is used a shortcut from Hospital Road that
impacts our area.
• Anyone using that facility will be using that road to enter the
site.
• The traffic study should have included that intersection
because that will be the road used for ingress and egress.
• At 5:05 this morning there were construction workers banging
away getting ready for their day.
• It is,an inconvenience to get up that early every morning.
. The trash and portable potties was very blatant on Dana
Road, and should have been put towards the garages which
would not have inconvenienced anyone because no one is
there.
. She was the only homeowner in my association that received
a notification on this item. No one was aware of this meeting.
. They have not been good neighbors and have tenants that
use the building 24/7.
. At Commission inquiry, she noted she did not know if the
portable potties and dumpsters had been moved as she
came right from work and has not been home yet; she had
not notified the police about the problem as she has to get
ready to go to work in the mornings.
Ms. Temple noted that as an initial first step, a formal complaint in
writing should be sent to the Code and Water Quality Enforcement
Division at City Hall. They will schedule site visits at the hours the
violations may be occurring a couple of times to observe and
document. They will then send a notice of violation and
administrative citations can follow if the notice is not enough. The
other place to call is the Newport Beach Police Department.
Vicky Valsito, resident of the city noted her agreement of the
previous speakers regarding the dumpsters.
Phil Arst, distributed a letter to the Planning Commissioners,
noting:
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• He filed a complaint on Newport Technology Center
regarding a rental two years ago.
• Objects to the traffic study.
• Questions the legality of the proposed land use.
• Noted the futility of trying to enforce a poor application for the
area in close proximity to Hoag Hospital and a number of
residences.
• Inadequate parking.
• Traffic analysis is inconsistent with City of Costa Mesa data.
• Special exemptions are not warranted and make violations of
new use permit feasible.
• Violates State law.
...General Plan does not permit general office uses except
urder.very specific limitations.
• Poor planning and not the highest and best use for the
property-
. Adds traffic congestion to interfere with ingress /egress to
Hoag hospital.
• At Commission inquiry, he noted the ICU numbers given by
Costa Mesa were projected for sometime in the future.
• He asked that this item be continued to allow time for the
Planning Commission to read and study his letter.
Commissioner Cole asked about the parking shortage mentioned
in Mr. Arsts's letter, the current parking provided on site is 1,336
spaces. Is that accurate?
Mr. Campbell answered that 1,336 is accurate for the number ofl
parking spaces available on site. This number is adequate for the .
application.
Public comment was closed.
Commissioner Tucker addressed the issue of the General Plan not
providing for the uses that are being sought in terms of general
office. In reading the general industry designation in the Land Use
Element, it says, 'this land use category has been applied to those
areas which are predominately used for research and
development, manufacturing and professional services. Permitted
uses include manufacturing, research and development,
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• warehousing, wholesale, sales, professional service offices,
service retail and restaurants.' Is it staffs opinion that general
office is subsumed in this general description of the types of uses
that are contemplated in the land use element?
Ms. Temple answered, yes.
Continuing, Commissioner Tucker noted that the previous speaker
was getting . at a distinction between the general office and
professional service offices and research and development. Is it
staffs opinion that professional service offices contemplate the
same type of uses as general office?
Ms. Temple answered yes, and that was done using the traditional
and typical planning hierarchy analysis where the General Plan is a
general statement of the types of uses desired and the zoning then
provides the precise level of implementation of the goals of those
land use categories. With professional services offices a permitted
use in the Land Use Element of the General Plan industrial class
and with professional and business offices a permitted use in the
M1A district, which is the implementing industrial district, we feel
very confident that this portion of office request is permitted by both
the General Plan and the Zoning Code.
Commissioner Tucker noted that it is basically staffs opinion that
the concept of professional offices intensity of that use is the
intensity of general office use and therefore you do not expect the
exact words necessarily to be in the land use element as are in the
Zoning Code.
Ms. Temple noted that the update of the verbiage of the Land Use
Element in 1988, staff simply used the same words that were in the
original 1972 Land Use Element and did not change them because
staff did not perceive that there were any conflicts.
Commissioner Tucker noted that 57% can be used for R and D,
and 43% used for office. We don't get into the business of
determining what the market place is demanding. We base
parking on what the applicant has applied for. It is up to the
applicant to comply with the uses that are set forth. We don't have
the authority to make up a different parking code than the one that
is already in the Municipal Code.
Ms. Temple noted that the precise percentage bears no
relationship to any city analysis as to market. It is what is
necessary in order to make the project comply with the General
Plan and Zoning Code.
Commissioner Tucker noted that a, 'highest and best use of the
property,' is not something the Planning Commission has the
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. I can see the shortcut to Dana Road being used.
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The protocol of traffic studies is level of service, not whether
there is an increase in traffic. If there is an increase in traffic
and the road is able to handle the traffic increase, there is
nothing in our codes to say that road can not be used for that
purpose. I see an increase in traffic, but I believe it would be
significantly more if that became a medical office building.
Ms. Hoffman noted the following:
. The client has indicated that there is security on site and we
will be happy to ask him to enforce these provisions. We will
begin our own enforcement procedures immediately and are
happy to work with code enforcement people.
There are permanent trash enclosures are emptied twice a
week during normal business hours and kept clean and
orderly. The dumpster that I think was causing the problem
is a construction dumpster that was placed thoughtlessly and
I had it moved today. It has been made clear that side of the
property is to remain clear.
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Commissioner Eaton noted that he was uncomfortable with at least
one of the proposed findings in the proposed Resolution -
specifically the one that states that the project, together with
cumulative projects, was found to have no traffic impacts on any of
the intersections studied. He indicated that he felt uncomfortable
with that because Engineering staff had indicated at the meeting
tonight that they had not looked at the cumulative impacts of either
approved but not yet completed projects, or other approved
projects, in analyzing the Costa Mesa intersections. He stated that
he was OK with the project as a whole, however, because of the
additional surplus in parking that would be available to handle the
R & D uses, and because he is convinced that, ultimately, the
project won't be completely successful until it is converted to
accommodate medical office uses; and he thinks that will not be
that far out in the future. At that time, hopefully, the project will be
entitled more thoroughly, with changes to the General Plan
Industrial designation, a change to the General Plan FAR ratio,
additional parking provided on site, and a new TPO study that will
look at all the affected intersections with all the cumulative traffic.
He concluded by stating that inasmuch as he views this application
as an interim solution, he would support this application in order to
help the project get some occupancy in the meantime."
Mr. Campbell noted that the number on condition 37 should be
1,120 (57% of 1,965).
Motion was made by Commissioner Eaton to approve
amendment to Use Permit No. 3679 and approve Traffic Study No.
2003 -001 subject to findings and conditions of approval including
modification to condition 37 and additional condition for vines on
the chain link fence.
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• Ayes: Eaton, Cole, Toerge, McDaniel, Selich, Kiser and
Tucker
Noes: None
Absent: None
Abstain: None
SUBJECT: Blackie's by the Sea (PA2004 -058) ITEM NO. 3
2118 W. Ocean Front PA2004 -058
Request to amend Use Permit No. 3607 to extend the closing time Approved
for a bar to 1:00 A.M., seven days a week.
Mr. Ramirez confirmed that the Commission received three letters
that were distributed to the dais. Staff did a check for hours of
operation for similar establishments on the peninsula.
Sally Fry, president of Blackie's By the Sea, Inc., noted the
following:
. The establishment was opened in 1955.
. . They have owned and operated the business for 40 years.
e The building was recently sold at the beginning of the year
and the new owner increased the rent from $4,000 to $6,000
and will increase 2% per year hereafter.
. With all other costs increases, the rent increase has caused
financial hardship.
. Increasing the hours will allow us to meet the financial
obligations and enable us to keep the doors open.
. We run a clean operation with few problems necessitating
Newport's resources.
. Our employees have been with us many years, some 29
years.
. Our customers are locals.
. We are a beach bar atmosphere without the rowdiness.
. At Commission inquiry, she noted she agrees to all the
conditions of approval.
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Charles Brott, past president of Blackie's By the Sea, Inc. at
Commission inquiry noted that the hours were imposed by the City
Council that he had accepted in order to have the Type 48 license.
Ms. Temple noted that the then existing hours were made
conditions of approval as part of their ability to change the ABC
license type.
Les Bobbitt, manager of Blackie's noted that the operation is a
clean run establishment. The Police Department has never called
on them. He noted that it is better to have the bars in the one.
location. The extra hours shouldn't be a problem because if
people don't get served at our bar, they will go to another bar and
get served. You will still have the same amount of people in that
area, whether served at our establishment or someplace else.
John Loomis of 30th Street Architect, consultant noted the
following:
. He distributed a summary of hours. ofoperation of other bars
in the immediate area.
. Many of the establishments in the area do not have a Use
Permit and have been grandfathered.
. The owner has a financial hardship.
. Blackie's is not looking to change any other part of the
operations and is looking to be at a level playing field the
same as other bars in the area.
. The owners have reviewed the conditions and agree to all of
them.
Public comment was closed.
Chairperson McDaniel confirmed with staff that the summary just
received was for hours of operation of other establishments in the
area.
Mr. Ramirez noted that there are a lot of other places that are
restaurant types that serve alcohol and beer and that the summary
is accurate on the places that are more late night bars. He would
add 'The Blue Beet', that has no limitations except for their rooftop
dining which must close at midnight.
Commissioner Cole asked about residents upstairs from the bar.
Mr. Ramirez answered that the whole building in that block is a
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mixed use building so there are some apartments upstairs,
approximately 10 to 15.
Ms. Temple added that in the McFadden Square there are a
number of buildings that were originally constructed with ground
floor commercial and second floor apartments. On the ocean front,
in addition to this building, two others with that configuration, (2100
Oceanfront and the Portofino Inn) which have since had the
residential portions converted to hotel occupancies. While they
may be considered commercial, they are still over night
occupancies for more residential type uses plus throughout the
whole area there are 2nd floor apartments.
Motion was made by Commissioner Toerge to approve an
amendment to Use Permit No. 3607 to extend the closing time for
a bar to 1:00 a.m. seven days a week.
Ayes:
Eaton, Cole,
Tucker
Noes:
None
Absent:
None
Abstain:
None
Toerge, McDaniel, Selich, Kiser and
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SUBJECT: Josh Slocum's Dinner & Supper Club (PA2003- ITEM NO.4
220) PA2003 -220
2601 W. Coast Highway
Approved
A request for a Use Permit to expand a legal nonconforming
restaurant by providing periodic lunch service, increasing the
occupancy and allowing a nightclub operation with live
entertainment and dancing between 9:00 p.m. and 2:00 a.m. each
night. The request also includes a modification of minimum parking
requirements since the use does not provide code required
parking.
Rosalinh Ung, Associate Planner, summarized the staff report
noting a slide presentation:
. The site is narrow and deep, approximately 10,000 square
feet with a building of approximately 4,000 square feet.
. 13 parking spaces are provided on site.
. Access to the site is off Coast Highway with the drive
approach between two properties and has a unique access.
. The floor plan with the restaurant arrangement shows the
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majority of the area is designed for dining purposes with
several levels: main dining area, upper dining area by the
fireplace and the lower dining area toward the rear of the
property was a patio, but has since been enclosed.
. The proposed occupancy for this floor plan is for 143, which
is an increase of 10 occupants more than currently approved
by the Building Department (133).
. The proposed nightclub arrangement floor plan has the main
and upper dining areas turned into dance floors. Should the
application be approved, this floor plan has to be clearly
depicted and identified. The lower lounge area would be set
up for dining with tables and chairs.
. The proposed occupancy for the nightclub arrangement is
190, which does not include the employees.
. The front entry to Josh Slocum has some parallel parking and
angled. parking.
. There are three boat slips at the back with access via the
gangway on the side of the establishment.
. The existing bar inside the establishment is an arrangement
that has been there for many years.
. There are two sets of resolutions attached to the staff report.
One is for approval of the entire application, the nightclub and
restaurant. The second is for approval of the restaurant
only. There have been changes made to these resolutions
and were attached to the memo dated May 4th that had been
faxed to the Commission. She then noted condition 8 of the
resolution for approval of the restaurant and nightclub, the
last sentence is to be removed.
Commissioner Eaton asked for clarification of what is officially
authorized, what the stipulation authorizes and what approval of
the restaurant would add in addition to that and what approval of
the restaurant and nightclub would add.
Ms. Clauson answered that staff believes, and it is the City's
position, that:
. The grandfathered use was a restaurant with a smaller bar
area.
. They did not have any permitted use for any live
entertainment, or dancing, or operation as a nightclub.
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• The City filed a lawsuit to stop the continued operations that
were outside of the historical grandfathered use.
• During that lawsuit, we entered into a stipulation and the City
agreed to dismiss the lawsuit without prejudice at that time in
exchange for the applicant's agreement to process a use
permit to gain the approvals that they needed to operate the
way they wanted to.
• The agreement at that time was that they would continue to
operate under their historical grandfathered use but did not
have the right to operate as a nightclub, to have dancing or
live entertainment until such time they obtained approvals to
do so with the exception of having a special event permit to
have those on two occasions so that acoustical testing could
be done to determine what conditions the operation could
operate.
• The dancing has continued and is continuing without
authorization.
Ms. Ung added:
• The approval of the restaurant would approve an increase of
occupancy of ten bringing it to 143 from 133.
• The approval of the nightclub and the restaurant would
approve the occupancy up to 190 and live entertainment and
dancing. The 190 does not include the employees.
• The restaurant includes a general alcoholic beverage permit.
Commissioner Selich noted that the staff report states the
Commission has two options. Do we not have the option to leave
this as it is?
Ms. Temple noted that is an option, but staff felt that since the
applicant was able to accomplish the additional parking to support
the additional occupancy in a manner similar to what had
previously been approved, we did not have a problem with that.
However, the Commission can deny the application and leave the
operation stay as is. She added that this use permit is not a use
permit pursuant to the Alcohol Beverage Ordinance (ABO), so we
took out the ABO standard conditions in the revised resolution for
approving the restaurant.
Commissioner Eaton asked if condition 30 could be added back in
even if this is not specifically an ABO request.
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Ms. Temple answered that the conditions should relate nexus wise
to the request, however, you could add it.
Bill Hodge, of Hodge and Associates, representing the applicant
Random Interactive, noted the following:
He has worked with staff for several months to refine the
original application.
He had retained a noise consultant to analyze the noise
emanating from the restaurant when the live entertainment
was taking place and that was done last June. The noise
study indicated that the noise from the restaurant was within
the City's standard for exterior noise in the areas that were
measured.
We are willing to accept conditions as they are proposed in
terms of sound attenuation for the establishment to make
sure that noise from the establishment is ameliorated.
. We have met the parking requirements and the three
additional spaces that are subject of a waiver request may
not be necessary as the owner plans to eliminate two of the
boat slips behind the restaurant as of June 1st so that will be
down one parking space under what is required.
. We offer dinner later than 9:00 p.m., so it is a dining and
drinking establishment. In the upper lounge area, people are
allowed to eat dinner while dancing and entertainment would
take place after 9:00 p.m.
. We have reduced the. occupancy from the original submittal
down to 190 as mentioned tonight.
. He asked that the applicant's request for a restaurant and
nightclub be approved.
At Commission inquiries, Mr. Hodge stated:
*Employees park either at the municipal lot behind
'Margaritaville' or on the street.
The establishment has had a disc jockey on some nights with
dancing since the original stipulation as it is an economic
issue. They have come forward now because they want to
secure a use permit in order to operate under the City's
guidelines and address problems that have been a concern
to the City.
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It is an unusual piece of property and in order to have a
dance floor, it is necessary to move some of the tables and
chairs out of the restaurant to accommodate a dance floor.
The interest in having the upper dance floor was to try and
make the capacity work in terms of the aisles that were
needed for a safe exit in case of emergency.
Access is controlled into the restaurant for use of restroom
facilities when people are waiting to get in. That control
starts where the smoking porch begins. Typically people are
escorted through the doors into the restaurant area, which is
still in a hallway before you actually get into the dining
room /dancing area. They would be taken into the restroom
where there is an attendant in the restroom and then they
would be escorted back out.
Martin Weinberg, resident of Via Lido Nord, noted:
. He and his wife have been disturbed many nights due to the
drums and loud noise that emanates from Josh Slocum.
. Within the past six months,
went to the disc jockey area
been removed from the floor.
to the outside.
he visited the restaurant. He
and noticed that a board had
The music was therefore going
. As a resident across the bay, he and several neighbors are
negatively affected by this conduct.
. Concurrent with this, he had called the Police Department
and asked them to quiet the restaurant down. After the
police arrived, the noise would quiet down for a while, but
then it would get louder after the police left.
. He had, on two different times, police officers at his home
who agreed that the level of noise was very excessive and
would prevent anyone from sleeping.
. He has called many, many times for the police to take care of
the problem. It has been very distressing.
. If there are not some restrictions placed on this
establishment, there will be a lot more aggravated residents
of Lido Isle and the surrounding area.
. 190 people in that restaurant at one time is an awful lot of
people.
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Besides the ambient noise emanating from the
establishment, he is troubled by the lack of respect that the
present ownership has shown with regard to the residents
and to the Police Department.
He read the report by the Police department and it is not
flattering one.
The important thing is that we are entitled to peace and quiet
in our homes. Whatever you ultimately decide, it should be
with keeping in mind that they have a right to make a living
and we have a right to enjoy our homes and get a good
night's sleep.
He has reviewed the conditions in the staff report and asked
that the doors be kept closed and install double paned
window glass. His main concern is the occupancy level of
190 people as he believes it is too excessive.
. Amplified music should be kept at a minimum as he believes
drinking and dancing will be the main activity and that dining
will be modest.
Sheila Baker, resident of Via Lido Nord across from Josh Slocum
stated similar concerns of the noise problem as the previous
speaker especially since it will be every night.
Maryann Baker, resident of Via Lido Nord across from 'Windows
on the Bay' noted her concern of the noise as it seems amplified
over the water and asked that no amplified music be allowed since
the facility is so small. She asked where the measurements for the
noise study were done from.
Ms. Temple answered
taken from 6 different
outside the building, a
the establishment, acr
Lido Isle and by the
Peninsula.
that the sound study measurements were
locations: within the building, immediately
the balcony of the property that is east of
)ss Coast Highway at the closest park on
)ridge connecting Lido Isle to the Balboa
Robert Baker, resident of Via Lido Nord across from Josh Slocum
stated:
There has to be a balancing of equity between the business
versus the residents.
. The applicant and its predecessor has for decades violated
the rules and operated without the proper permits.
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• If you make more rules it's going to constantly have the
. police, constant complaints to the City, enforcement will be a
problem and some of the alleged owners of the property have
defied the Police Department on numerous occasions and
the restaurant has had numerous complaints. There is little
that can be done about it as a resident.
• Nobody wants a nightclub in the back yard. This is a rowdy
place.
• Where are these 190 people going to go in this small area,
there will be loud drunks going in and out. It is always
jammed and crowded. Going in and out of the parking lot is
hazardous already and allowing more people will exacerbate
the problem.
• They are proposing later hours, which is very bad for people
who live across the bay because the noise travels across the
water. You can hear the people talking.
• The noise tests conducted at the park is a half mile down
from where we live, and at the bridge is not effective where
we live.
. You can impose whatever conditions you want, I don't feel
they will comply with them.
• We are left with very little recourse other than to keep
complaining and I think it is an insult to the Police
Department to continually have to call and say Josh Slocum
patrons are .making noise. Then the police go out check the
noise at the restaurant, they turn it down and fifteen minutes
later it is back up again, night after night. This goes on seven
nights a week. It is not fair to the residents.
• The property was bought as a restaurant and its use was
known. They have been operating without permits and now
they are asking for the permits to continue legally and expand
the use.
• He requested that the application be denied.
Captain Tim Riley, Detective Division Command, noted the
following at Commission inquiry:
By having less occupancy we anticipate less problems, but
• we are still going to have significant problems, as we have
experienced at this location for the past several years.
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. We have observed violations that included dancing and since
January the police have responded to 39 formal calls foi
service that included vandalism, drunks, disturbances, fights.
There were two significant fights inside the bar last month.
One of their employees was physically attacked and knocked
to the ground, the suspect had to be restrained. Another fight
that originated in the hallway ended up in the men's restroom
where a donnybrook ensued. They had to be separated. It is
just been significant problems.
Public comment was closed.
Chairperson McDaniel asked for a straw poll of how many
Commissioners have an interest in the nightclub approval aspect of
this application.
Commissioner Eaton stated that he is leaning towards disapproval
as the establishment as it has caused a lot of problems as the
record shows. The establishment has continued on a significant
number of nights with dancing contrary to what staff believes is
their right to do. The Police Department has pointed out enough
specific problems that would occur with the approval that we
should not approve it.
Commissioner Cole concurred stating that there is enough concern
with noise by the residents as well as non - compliance and would
not approve a nightclub use.
Commissioner Toerge noted that some of the conditions could
mitigate the problems that the residents have spoken tonight. He
is not prepared to deny that portion of the application in a straw
vote and would like to hear from some of the other Commissioners
on this matter.
Commissioner Selich stated he is not in favor of the nightclub
operation. In addition to the other issues that were brought up, the
site is too small to increase the intensity of the use by switching
from a restaurant to a nightclub bringing in additional people.
There are continuing traffic problems going in and out with the
existing operation, so to exacerbate it more by increasing the
occupancy load and the frequency and the changeover in
clientele, creates more traffic hazards on Coast Highway. He
supports a restaurant there, and would prefer it to stay at 133
seats, but based on staffs comments that they feel the offsite
parking agreement would warrant the additional ten seats, then
will respect their conclusion.
Commissioner Kiser noted his agreement with the previous
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comments.
• Commissioner Tucker noted that this is a worst case scenario and
maybe it will get better. A nightclub is a place where you go to
drink and party. In that location it is tough to add people with all its
physical problems of just getting in and out of the facility, it just
doesn't make any sense there. He concurs about the restaurant
with the existing capacity and would like to see them run properly
what they have before the come back and ask for more.
Chairperson McDaniel stated that was his point as well. He would
like to see them deal with what they have got and then we will talk
about anything else after that.
Commissioner Eaton noted that for ten seats there is an advantage
in getting all the new conditions in place. It would make it easier to
enforce the operation as a whole. He would vote for an approval
and if there is enough of a nexus, would put that condition on the
alcoholic beverage back in as well.
Motion was made by Commissioner Cole to approve Use Permit
No., 2003 -036 as proposed by the applicant without the nightclub
according to the findings and conditions for the restaurant only and
• include that condition (30) on the alcoholic beverage as well.
Commissioner Toerge noted:
• Condition 22 - regarding the offsite parking agreement
recordation should be recorded on the parking lot property
with the subject property being the beneficiary.
• Noted his concern with stretch limousines and taxi cabs
accessing the site as they tend to park in the street and block
the number 2 lane.
• Condition 25 - regarding posting a diagram of the off -site
parking lot should be of a certain size, legible and illuminated.
• Condition 28 - what are the 'other corrective measures
deemed necessary'? Should the signal improvement not be
implemented?
Mr. Brine noted that the valet parking plan has not been finalized,
so staff can address the issue of limousines and taxi cabs in
condition 23. He added that the corrective measures would rely on
• the congestion level and current problems on Coast Highway and
there would probably be changes to the Parking Management Plan
to address those problems.
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Commissioner Tucker asked about Condition 36 allowing police
officers conducting inspection of the premises at any given time.
Captain Riley answered that the police requested this condition
due to a violation of the alcohol beverage control limitations where
there was alcohol being served after hours.. The establishment
refused entry of our police officers who then had to force entry and
made arrests based on that violation. It was a very uncooperative
staff. This also has to do with enforcement of the Municipal Code
and any other applicable ordinances that we have the authority to
enforce especially having to do with after hours enforcement. .
Ms. Clauson stated that a condition may not make it any better.
The police have whatever rights under the alcohol beverage state
law regulations and their own regulations to get access. I don't
know that a condition is going to help with enforcement.
Ms. Temple noted that these are all new conditions that will apply
to the site. The changes were from the original proposed
conditions.
Ms. Temple noted that condition 30 that was deleted is a standard
condition for ABO use permits or for use permits for the Alcohol
Beverage Outlet Ordinance. It was incorporated into these
conditions for approval, however, we have noted there is no ABO
Use Permit for you and thought it appropriate to eliminate it.
Ms. Clauson noted it is a nexus issue. You may not necessarily
have to have an ABO use permit application before you to
determine that there is a need for this condition for the operation of
that business even as a restaurant. I suggest that if you want to
put it in, you should.
Ms. Temple noted that she would like to put in an additional finding
in the resolution that would indicate that conditions of this nature
are necessary because of the increase in occupancy being
granted.
The maker of the motion agreed.
Mr. Bill Hodge stated that these changes are acceptable noting the
right to appeal to the City Council.
Ayes: Eaton, Cole, Toerge, McDaniel, Selich, Kiser and
Tucker
Noes: None
Absent: None
Abstain: None
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SUBJECT: Districting Map No. 25 (PA2004 -066)
3315 Clay Street
An amendment to Districting Map No. 25 to establish a 10 -foot
setback for 3315 Clay Street from Orange Avenue.
Public comment was opened.
Public comment was closed.
Motion was made by Commissioner Tucker recommending
approval of Code Amendment 2004 -003 (PA2004 -066) to the City
Council.
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ITEM NO.5
PA2004 -066
Recommended for
approval
Ayes: Eaton, Cole, Toerge, McDaniel, Selich, Kiser and
Tucker
Noes: None
Absent: None -
Abstain: None :«
• ADDITIONAL BUSINESS: ADDITIONAL
BUSINESS
a. City Council Follow -up - Ms. Temple noted that the City
Council initiated a General Plan Amendment for property
located at San Miguel Drive and MacArthur Blvd., to multi-
family residential as part of our Housing Element
implementation plan; approved a Professional Services
Agreement with Economic and Planning Systems, Inc. to
conduct for the City an in -lieu housing fee analysis; they
forwarded comments from EQAC on the EIR on a project in
Irvine Business complex; a discussion of Measure S
guidelines; and initiated a code amendment regarding city
height and grade regulations.
b. Oral report from Planning Commission's representative to the
Economic Development Committee - no report.
c. Report from Planning Commission's representatives to the
General Plan Update Committee - there will be a meeting on
Monday, May 10th at 3:30 p.m.
d. Matters which a Planning Commissioner would like staff to
report on at a subsequent meeting - none.
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e. Matters which a Planning Commissioner may wish to place
on a future agenda for action and staff report - none.
f. Status Reports on Planning Commission requests - none.
g. Project status - There is no need for the special meeting on
June 24th as the Marinapark project will be heard at June 3rd
at a special study session starting at 5:30 p.m. The principal
purpose is for the Commission to receive a detailed
presentation from the applicant, some information from staff,
and for the Commission to identify issues which the
Commission feels are important to be included in the staff
report for the public hearing of July 8th in order to get this
item on the ballot.
h. Requests for excused absences - none.
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ADJOURNMENT: 9:05 P.M. I ADJOURNMENT
MICHAEL TOERGE, SECRETARY
CITY OF NEWPORT BEACH PLANNING COMMISSION
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