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HomeMy WebLinkAbout10/05/2004 - PB&R CommissionOCTOBER 5, 2004 APPROVED PB &R COMMISSION MINUTES CITY OF NEWPORT BEACH Parks, Beaches it Recreation Commission Regular Meeting October 5, 2004 - 7pm Convened 7:02pm ROLL CALL Present: Debra Allen Tim Brown Bill Garrett Greg Ruzicka Val Skoro Tom Tobin Roy Englebrecht Staff. Marie Knight, Recreation 8 Senior Services Director Marcelino Lomeli, Park £t Tree Superintendent Andrea McGuire, Recreation Superintendent Teri Craig, Administrative Assistant DIRECTOR'S COMMENTS Director Knight stated that on the agenda item 9 would be taken out of order before item 8 and noted that Chair Tobin would be pulling item 13 from the agenda. Chair Tobin stated that he would pull item 13 — West Jetty View Park Landscape Improvements at the request of the Peninsula Point Association until the next meeting. Commissioner Englebrecht asked if there could be discussion about pulling the item. Director Knight clarified that item 13 was being pulled at the request of the Peninsula Point Association to give them the time to discuss it at their next meeting in order to make a recommendation to the Commission. She noted that Director Niederhaus had been apprised of their request and agreed. Motion by Commissioner Allen to continue item 13 — West Jetty View Park Landscape Improvements until the November meeting and to take item 9 — City Street Tree Designation before item 8 — Reforestation Request. Motion carried by the following vote: Ayes: Allen, Brown, Garrett, Ruzicka, Skoro, Tobin Nays: Englebrecht PUBLIC COMMENTS Evelyn Hart stated that it had been 30 years since sitting up at the dais and noted that she had recently become a Friends of OASIS board member and had been requested by president Ed Romeo to be the liaison to the Parks, Beaches It Recreation Commission. She noted that that there are exciting events being planned for next year, such as major remodeling of the Center and requested that Commission agendas be mailed to her. Commissioner Skoro congratulated her and noted that he was glad to see her in this new position. CONSENT CALENDAR 1. Item pulled by Chair Tobin Parks, Beaches Et Recreation Commission Regular Meeting October 5, 2004 Page 2 2. Item pulled by Superintendent Lomeli 3. Recreation Et Senior Services Activity Report. Receive /file monthly Activity Report for activities and upcoming projects. 4. Lighting Request from Newport-Mesa Junior All American Football. Approve the request by NMJAAF to extend the use of lights from 9pm to 9:30pm from October 16 to October 30 at Bonita Creek Park. 1. Minutes of the August 3, 2004 regular meeting. Chair Tobin stated that he had pulled this item because it appeared that staff had completely disregarded the consensus of the Commission as well as the activist groups on the use of the urns. He stated that an urn had been placed on the bay front between the bumper cars and Pizza Petes and asked if staff knew anything about this. Superintendent Lomeli stated that he did not but that it could be a a possible test area for the urn. Chair Tobin asked why no one was made aware about a test area and that he had not heard anything about that. Commissioner Englebrecht asked if in fact the City or staff went out and purchased and placed an urn in Newport and if it was part of the no smoking ban. Chair Tobin stated that he believed that the Commission had approved the no smoking ban but suggested that instead of calling them urns that they be called Oedipus's. He emphasized that there nobody wants to have any of those around including all the activist groups. Director Knight asked if she could interject — she stated that Chair Tobin had pulled the minutes and so the discussion needs to be confined to them. She pointed out that she had not been at the Council meeting but believed the Commission made a recommendation regarding the urns and the no smoking polity to Council, but then they make the final decision. She stated that she did not have the Council minutes from the meeting to know what direction staff had recommended but that the discussion at this time could only pertain to the Commission minutes of September 7. Chair Tobin stated that he was only addressing what was discussed at the Commission meeting and had no idea what was discussed at the Council meeting. Director Knight asked, since the September minutes were pulled, was there a correction that needed to be made. Chair Tobin stated that if God wants them then they can place these urns around but had not heard anything about placing them within the City. Commissioner Brown asked then why the comments regarding the minutes were left out, was it by error and or something that could be corrected. Parks, Beaches $ Recreation Commission Regular Meeting October 5, 2004 Page 3 Director Knight stated that if there were comments that were left out of the minutes then a motion needs to be made to amend the minutes and that Teri Craig would review the tape. She noted that if something had been omitted it would be added but that the Commission must understand that the minutes are not verbatim. Commissioner Englebrecht asked if there was a gap in the tape. Chair Tobin stated that nothing had been left out of minutes of September 7, but had been surprised that staff took such action when the Commission clearly had not approved any smoking areas. He pointed out that the minutes had stated their opposition to any designated smoking areas and urns. He went on to say that visual clutter had been a concern and that the minutes listed all activist groups comments and that the Commission been unanimous in their decision in not approving smoking urns or smoking areas. Director Knight suggested that the Chair direct his concerns to Director Niederhaus regarding the Council meeting. She pointed out that the Council takes the Commission's recommendation into advisement but that they make the final decision. She asked the Chair if the minutes were correct as shown. Chair Tobin stated yes. 2. Park and Tree Division Activity Report. Superintendent Lomeli stated that he had pulled this item to direct the Commission's attention to the beach report, and pointed out that the Beach Maintenance Division was in the process of restoring and regrooming the City's three fire ring areas. He reported that staff had been contacted last week from a contractor who had offered 1500 cubic yards of sand from a home being built on K Street that will be used. Motion by Commissioner Ruzicka to receive and approve Items 1 through 4 of the Consent Calendar. Motion carried by acclamation. OLD BUSINESS Park Patrol Annual Report - Director Knight stated that tonight staff would present the Annual Park Patrol Report summarizing the activities of the program. She noted that as a department that runs programs 7 days a week morning through evening, that it had been beneficial to have this extra set of eyes and ears that patrol the parks and facilities within the City. She went on to say that staff believes that the program has been very successful and has lived up to the expectations and has exceeded them. Director Knight indicated that several cities are requesting information from staff on the program. Lead Patrol Officer Craig Brown presented the PowerPoint Annual Park Patrol Report. Parks, Beaches @ Recreation Commission Regular Meeting October 5, 2004 Page 4 Commissioner Englebrecht commended the Recreation staff reminding the Commission that for almost a year this program had been bantered back and forth on whether the City needed a Park Patrol. He stated that due diligence had been done by the staff but that never in his wildest dreams had be thought it would have turned out this great. He went on to say that this City has built the template that others will look at to a build their program. He again congratulated staff and the Park Patrol officers for the tremendous. He noted that the quality of life has been raised for use of parks and facilities. Director Knight thanked Commissioner Englebrecht for his comments and noted that this was indeed a testament to the work of the Commission because as the process was moving along, concerns had been raised by the Commission and answered and that was how the program had been built and now we have a program that we can be proud of. She reminded the Commission that staff will continue to educate first and that the number one priority is safety and that the public continue to have a good experience at the parks. She noted that she is very proud of Andrea McGuire, Matt Dingwall, Craig Brown and Sam Rodriquez. Chair Tobin noted that Commissioner Englebrecht has been a guiding light in the program. Chair Tobin opened the public discussion; hearing none, the public discussion was closed. No action was taken. 6. Revisions to NBMC Chapter 11.04 - Conduct in Parks - Director Knight reminded the Commission that staff had brought this revision of the Conduct in Parks Ordinance back in April, and at that time staff wanted to bring all the code areas that the Park Patrol had citation authority over into one chapter to make easier for them to monitor and for the community to understand the ordinances that affect the parks and facilities. She went on to say that based on the Commission's input the ordinance was scaled back to include only those areas that are issues in City parks but are not addressed elsewhere in the Code or where there Parks, Beaches ix Recreation Commission Regular Meeting October 5, 2004 Page 5 are new requirements, such as the no smoking ban. She stated that Council had approved citation authority for the Park Patrol in December over any code violation relating to parks or parking lots that are serving parks. Director Knight also stated that the ordinance adds additional enforcement authority capabilities and addresses what is felt by staff to be critical issues currently not in the Code. She went on to say that two areas of significance are NBMC 11.04.060 - that in the new Code this would grant the needed authority to reserve parks and facilities for exclusive use such as reserving picnic shelters, sports fields and facilities. She added that this section of the Code would enable staff to establish a safety zone for the after school programs and the ability to remove individuals from the area that staff believes is acting in a manner that could pose a safety risk to the children in the program. She reported that this has been experienced in the past and that there is nothing in the current NBMC that allows a Police officer or the Park Patrol to ask someone to leave the area. She stated that many times staff has moved the children from the outside park into the building to get away from someone that staff felt were a threat. Director Knight noted that section 11.04.070 will require athletic leagues to obtain permits; but stated that it does not mean that if neighbors having a pick up game of football would need a permit, however a regular organized league wanting to use a field or fields on a regular basis causing additional maintenance needs to those fields will need to apply for a permit and pay the fees that help offset those costs. Staff feels that this is very important because the Youth Sports Organizations (YSO) all pay permit fees but often times after putting a lot of money into the maintenance of their fields only to have an outside group use them during off hours and often times causing damage to those fields. She stated that the YSO feel very strongly that everybody should be held to the same standard. Director Knight stated that those are the two additions to the Code of note. She stated that in April the Commission had raised the issue of additional signage that could be needed with the passing of the ordinance. She stated that in accordance with the City Attorney's office that no additional signage would be needed. Motion by Commissioner Garrett to forward the proposed Ordinance amending NBMC Chapter 11.04 - Conduct in Parks to City Council for their approval. Chair Tobin opened the public discussion; hearing none, the public discussion was closed. Motion carried by acclamation. Director Knight thanked the Commission for their support and commented that several members of the YSO's were in the audience and that they also appreciated the changes and enforcement capabilities of the Park Patrol. NEW BUSINESS 7. Request for Waiver of Council Policy B -14 — Temporary Signs with Sponsorship Recognition in City Parks £t Beaches - Director Knight stated that staff had received a request from Back Bay Rugby to waive Council Policy B -14 and allow the use of signage and sponsorship from an alcohol sponsor. She noted that as the Commission could see in the staff report, there are several issues that concerns the staff. She stated that there are no concerns with the Back Bay Rugby Club as they have been a great organization to work with, however, staff feels that allowing alcohol related signs on the beach goes against what the City is trying to encourage, and that it sets a bad precedent. Director Knight noted that she had talked with the City Parks, Beaches £r Recreation Commission Regular Meeting October 5, 2004 Page 6 Manager and that staff recommends that Commission deny the request. Should the Commission feel that it is appropriate to have that type of signage then that action would be forwarded to City Council with a recommendation that the policy be changed. She went on to say that even though Back Bay Rugby is a great group, staff does not feel that any special exceptions should be made. Commissioner Skoro stated that this kind of signage sends the wrong message. Chair Tobin asked if the goal post protectors are provided by the City. Director Knight stated no, that all organizations are required to provide their own equipment. Discussion ensued regarding sponsorship and signage. Chair Tobin opened the public discussion John Abbott, Back Bay Rugby Club stated that the organization has been sponsored by Straub Beer Company for about five years and that have supported the club. He stated that they are part of the USA Rugby Organization and that they play games all over the United Stated and it is very expensive. He stated that in talking about the precedent, most of the other adult teams are smaller regional organizations that play within the area and do not travel and do not need the sponsor money. He went on to say that sponsors from alcohol companies are not looking at those types of smaller organizations because these companies want a broader exposure. Mr. Abbott stated that should the Commission approve this exemption that it would not open the flood gates as the Club only uses the field 6 -8 times a year and that the signage is far enough from the boardwalk that it would not stand out. He also noted that they are very clear with all the teams to police the area and of the no drinking rule because of the relationship with the City. He stated that the Club would still go on playing but that without these sponsorship funds that it does affect the team. Commissioner Allen stated that this kind of signage clearly sends the wrong message, having a large sign with an alcohol sponsor name be touted within the park and then a small sign saying "no drinking allowed ". She went on to say that people could innocently misunderstand and think that this would be a license to drink in the park. Mr. Abbott agreed and stated that he could not argue that point but the only mitigating factor was that right across from the field is a bar that has neon signs touting `Budweiser ". He stated that they are an adult league and that there should be an exception made for adults. Discussion ensued regarding field costs and pursuing other sponsors. David Reck, Club President stated that Straub has contributed $20,000 to the Club for safety gear. Chair Tobin closed the public discussion Motion by Commissioner Skoro to deny request by Back Bay Rugby. Motion fails by the following vote: Ayes: Allen, Brown, Skoro Parks, Beaches £t Recreation Commission Regular Meeting October 5, 2004 Page 7 Nays: Englebrecht, Garrett, Ruzicka, Tobin Commissioner Englebrecht stated that this request does deserve some committee work and suggested that it be assigned to a committee. Discussion ensued on options that Back Bay Rugby could do in the mean time. Director Knight stated that they could go directly to the City Council. Reconsideration of Motion by Commissioner Englebrecht to deny request by Back Bay Rugby Club. Motion carried by the following vote: Ayes: Allen, Brown, Englebrecht, Skoro, Tobin Nays: Garrett, Ruzicka 9. City Street Tree Designation - Superintendent Lomeli stated that the City Street Tree Designation List was adopted by the City Council in May 2000, after a thorough review and the recommendations of the Parks, Beaches, and Recreation Commission. The list designates specific species of trees for future planting in parkways and /or medians of a City street, to promote uniformity of the street treescapes. He stated that staff recommends that the Commission approve the Hong Kong Orchid (Bauhinia blakeana) as the newly designated street tree for the Cameo Homeowners Community Association: Dorchester Road, Surrey Drive, Wayne Road, Cortland Drive, Hampden Road, Roxbury Road, Fairfield Drive, Milford Drive, Orrington Road, Tremont Lane, Gorham Drive, Perham Road, Brighton Road, Camden Drive, Rockford Road, Rockford Place, Cameo Highlands Drive, Garrett Drive and Cameo Shores Road. Chair Tobin opened the public discussion hearing none, the public discussion was closed. Commissioner Skoro asked if there would be any view issues with this change. Superintendent Lomeli stated no. Motion by Commissioner Englebrecht to approve the City Street Tree Designation as listed above. Motion carried by acclamation. 8. Reforestation Request - Superintendent Lomeli stated that the Cameo Homeowners Community Association (CHCA) has requested the reforestation of 95 City parkway trees adjacent to their members' residences. He noted that staff has completed and attached the Tree Inspection Reports, Tree Appraisals, area map and photographs related to each reforestation site and that the applicant has requested the tree removals under the reforestation guidelines in accordance with the Council G -1 Policy. He went on to say that this is the first phase of reforestation for the CHCA and that the Association plans future reforestation phases. He noted that the Association has paid for supplemental tree trimming to ensure view retention but now feels that supplemental trimming has become very costly and not effective since the parkway trees are mature, grow back very quickly, and impair views in a matter of months. Parks, Beaches 13 Recreation Commission Regular Meeting October 5, 2004 Page 8 Superintendent Lomeli stated that the applicant has met all requirements of the G -1 Policy and that CHCA will assume the full cost of the removal and replacement of the 95 trees, a total cost of $42,800, and have properly noticed their membership of the extent of tree removals. Motion by Commissioner Ruzicka to approve the reforestation request. Chair Tobin opened the public discussion Kevin Leonard, CHCA stated after the removal of the 95 trees that the Association hopes to remove another 100 to 125 trees by March 2005. Phase 3 will be an ongoing process to remove disfigured trees. Jan Vandersloot stated that he does not agree with the new Council G -1 Policy, he stated that the problems with this request it seems to be removing a large number of trees from 14 different streets in the City and that the same tree is being planted and that in the Designated Street Tree List approved by the Commission three years ago that there were 6 to 7 different varieties of trees on those streets and does not understand how the Community decided that the Hong Kong Orchid was the tree that they wanted, but according to the G -1 states that the reforestation will be the designated street tree or that the Commission must approve a submission of a different species prior to submitting a reforestation request. Commissioner Allen stated that she realizes that Dr. Vandersloot had arrived late but the Commission took item 9 out of order and approved the Hong Kong Orchid for those streets. Dr. Vandersloot stated that they submitted the request before you approved the change of designated street tree and that is in violation of the G -1 Policy as it should not have occurred at the same meeting, but does the City want the Hong Kong Orchid on every street? He suggested that we take a look at PCH in Corona del Mar as Sherman Gardens had to be called in to help with the care of those trees. Chair Tobin closed the public discussion Motion carried by acclamation. 10. Reforestation Request - Superintendent Lomeli stated that Mary Nahas, property owner of 620 Avocado Avenue, has submitted a Tree Reforestation Request form pursuant to City Council Policy G -1 requesting the reforestation of three City Eucalyptus trees adjacent to her residence. The applicant has requested the tree removals under the Reforestation guidelines of the G -1 Policy. The applicant submitted the tree removal application on August 20, 2004 and has provided a list of signatures of 60% of the adjoining property owners, including the applicant, as required by the G -1 Policy criteria. Please see the attached Petition Response List and map which indicates property owner's responses. Additionally, Ms. Nahas has agreed to incur the total cost of the tree removals and replacements which is $1,716. It should be noted that the current appraised value of the three trees is $13,914. Parks, Beaches ft Recreation Commission Regular Meeting October 5, 2004 Page 9 Superintendent Lomeli stated that the Eucalyptus trees have been infested with the Lerp insect which has caused significant leaf and residue drop over the Last few years and that the City has injected the trees with pesticides to control the infestation at this location and in the neighborhood. He went on to say that there is not any significant public damage, but that the applicant states private damage to her property primarily due to residue emanating from the lerp infestation. He stated that the trees are not considered a hazard by staff and that all requirements of the City Council Policy G -1 have been met. He stated that Mary Nahas and the Presidents of the Corona del Mar Residents and Sandcastle Associations have received a copy of this report and a notice of the October 5`h Commission meeting and that all affected adjacent property owners have been noticed of the proposed tree removals. Commissioner Skoro stated that he has some problems with removing such big trees with little trees which changes the ambience of the neighborhood. Chair Tobin opened the public discussion. Mary Nahas stated that the trees are over three stories high and that she feels that they pose a real danger. Sharif Nahas distributed pictures of their home and patio and stated that they are unable to sit on the patio and that the droppings have caused clogs and that the smell from the droppings are awful. Jan Vandersloot, tree protector, stated that he has a problem with the lost value of a tree such as tonight, replacing a $14,000 tree with a tree of approximately $4,000 does not seem fair. He also stated that when an applicant is alleging private property damage that the City require some form of proof, he stated previously the G -1 Policy required this and believes that should be continues. He stated that it seems that the main concern of the applicant is the droppings and the smell and that these are not criteria for removal and is not consistent with the Policy. He stated that basically if this is approved then City is writing a death sentence for all the Eucalyptus trees in the City and if the residents believe that the trees smell of cat urine then maybe they have some kind of rodents in their house that is causing this smell. He urged the Commission to deny this request. Chair Tobin closed the public discussion Commissioner Englebrecht stated that that Dr. Vandersloot brings up a good point in which if these trees were removed then 4th Street would become barren and offered that the Hong Kong Orchid does not mesh with the rows of Eucalyptus. Commissioner Skoro stated that he also has a problem with the removal as it will change the ambience of the neighborhood and asked if invoices had been turned in. Superintendent Lomeli stated no. Parks, Beaches Et Recreation Commission Regular Meeting October 5, 2004 Page 10 Commissioner Garrett stated that he deals with these types of trees personally and if these droppings fall on the car that they have to be buffed off. He stated that he would not want this type of tree in front of his house. Commissioner Allen stated that the Hong Kong Orchid is the designated street tree for that street. Motion by Commissioner Garrett to approve the reforestation request by Mary Nahas, 620 Avocado Avenue. Motion carried by the following vote: Ayes: Allen, Brown, Garrett, Tobin Nays: Englebrecht, Ruzicka, Skoro 11. Revisions to Council Policy G -5 — Park and Street Tree Improvement Donations - Superintendent Lomeli stated that staff recommends that the Commission approve the revised policy with changes in tree donations, bench donations, and park and street amenities with strikethroughs for deletions and underlining for new verbiage. He noted that a significant proposed change is that donated benches and trees not have any donor recognition plaques and that only those gifts over $4,000 have dedicatory plaques. Director Knight stated that this change will align with Council Policy B -17 that was approved by the Commission several months ago and that this is the second piece to that and that all these items will be pieced together as a marketing tool. Chair Tobin opened the public discussion, hearing none the public discussion was closed. Chair Tobin asked that comments from the Arts Commission was struck from the policy and questioned the reasoning behind that. Superintendent Lomeli stated that they have not gone to the Arts Commission in the past and that they have used Chair Tobin stated that he believes that the selections of benches and tables leaves a lot to be desired, that is not only his opinion but also the community and that the Arts Commission should be contacted and believes that it should be put back in the policy. Superintendent Lomeli stated that in the past there was a committee that selected the bench list and was comprised of the commission and is much cost driven. Director Knight stated that there are a couple of options is that at a future meeting the Commission could review the list of benches and that the Commission could ask the Arts Commission for some input on that as well but it does not need to be in the policy. Superintendent Lomeli stated that he would bring the bench list back to the Commission at a future meeting. Parks, Beaches 8 Recreation Commission Regular Meeting October 5, 2004 Page 11 Commissioner Skoro stated that he also would like to see a bench list as he still has not reviewed anything on the Bayview project. Chair Tobin stated that he would like the following added back into the Policy under BENCH DONATIONS, at the end of the 2nd paragraph: The Arts Commission will provide design review assistance when requested. Motion by Commissioner Ruzicka to forward revisions of Council Policy G -5 as amended to City Council for their approval. Motion carried by acclamation. 12. Donation Catalog- Director Knight stated that staff has been working on the draft catalog and that this is only for your review and comments and to make sure that they are on the right track. Please remember that the verbiage is not all correct nor are the prices but wanted to give you something to look at and that once Policy G -5 and B -17 are approved by Council they will finalize the Catalog. Commissioner Englebrecht stated that it did not seem clear about how to get a plaque. Director Knight stated that it will be noted on the front that any gift in excess of $4000 will have a plaque attached to it. Commissioner Allen asked if there was a way that people could make their check out to something other than City of Newport Beach. Director Knight stated that they will set something up like Park Improvement Fund. Discussion ensued regarding placement of pictures and prices. Commissioner Englebrecht suggested that somewhere in the Navigator should list prior donations for the previous session. 13. West Jetty View Park - Chair Tobin stated that this item had been continued until the November meeting 14. November 2. 2004 Meeting - Chair Tobin stated that he had asked staff to come up with other meeting dates for November as it falls on Election Night. After some discussion it was decided that the next meeting would be November 16, 2004. • Finance - Nothing to report. • Park Development - Commissioner Skoro stated that there had been a nice presentation relative to Newport Village and was impressed with the conceptual plans that had incorporated all the past data that has been collected and the contractor working with Bob Stein from Public Works did a heck of a job of taking into consideration the input from the community and coming up with a conceptual plan, and we plan to have this presented to the Commission in November. He stated that that in all cases we have not had that such as Arroyo and Bonita Canyon we have had outstanding outreach programs but that in some of Parks, Beaches Et Recreation Commission Regular Meeting October 5, 2004 Page 12 the other parks had the conditions dictated to us by outside sources and stated that his feeling is that it is not necessarily what the community at large and the City desired but we have to work with the rules that are given. He went on to say again that public outreach is important and that those parks have turned out to be outstanding parks and one of the reasons is we have had an outstanding outreach program and ended up with parks. Commissioner Garrett stated that he had read something about the Cal Trans Park (Sunset Ridge) and asked if we were out of the loop or what. Commissioner Skoro stated that the City is trying to procure the property and $1.3 M is due to Cal Trans and the City is trying to close the deal where the title will be secured and at that time we will be in the loop. Commissioner Skoro stated that he wished staff could arrange at the next Park Development meeting to have somebody make a presentation on what are the benches that we will have in Upper Bayview Park. He stated that he had not seen any plans and would like to take a look and the Committee would like to have some input relative to that. He added that apparently they are adding sprinkler systems and are due to have the plantings before the rains come within the next couple of months. He stated that the park is rolling along and the Senior Housing is moving forward with 120 low cost housing. • Rec Et Open Space Element - Nothing to report. • Recreation Activities - Nothing to report. • Seniors - Nothing to report although Director Knight stated that they would meet again soon to firm up the Agreement with the Friends of OASIS. • Beach Activities - Nothing to report. • Ad Hoc Community Service Award - Commissioner Garrett stated that the committee will recommend at the next staff meeting that Gail Rosenstein and Helen Japenga receive the Community Service Award. Youth Sports Liaison - Nothing to report Special Tree Committee - Chair Tobin appointed Commissioners Allen (Chair), Skoro and Ruzicka. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS • Bench List Update • Tiered fees for use of parks when using different kind of signage. Director Knight stated that if you open this up then you are looking at other commercial sponsorships signage such as Race for the Cure, Prudential, etc. This would be a very slippery slope to start identifying who your backer is and based on that is the fee that the organization will pay. She stated that she did not believe that as a City that more fees could be charged just because their income base is one commercial organization versus another. Commissioner Garrett stated that the key is if they are able to derive some kind of advertising benefit from it shouldn't that change the fees for them? Director Knight stated that would be the same thing, the Race for the Cure sponsors are not all altruistic and that is a big event. She stated that the signage is a Council Policy. Commissioner Garrett stated that if there is some way that more funds can be made then maybe it should be looked at more closely. Director Knight stated that she will chat with the City Attorney's office to see if that is a direction that we should go in. • Liability Aspects at Marina Park • West Jetty View Park ADJOURNMENT - 9:38pm Parks, Beaches 8 Recreation Commission Regular Meeting October 5, 2004 Page 13 i Submitted by: Teri Craig, Admin As3istant